In PWPonderings’ latest exclusive interview, Trevor Outlaw (@thetrevoroutlaw) talks to PWPonderings’ own Scott Mitchell (@scott44mitchell) about his time in Freelance Wrestling so far, including winning the Freelance World Championship, his upcoming match with Izzy Moreno, the 12th anniversary show, EFFY, Frank The Clown, Danhausen, CM Punk, and so much more. Watch the video in its entirety down below.

You got the opportunity to learn at The Nightmare Factory under Cody Rhodes and QT Marshall. What was the biggest piece of advice you got from either of them?

“That’s tough because there have been a lot of good nuggets over the years. From Cody, I remember I had a Leopard shirt on the day I walked in, and before he even knew my name, he was like, ‘Leopard guy.’ I was like, ‘That’s it.’ He goes, ‘Keep that. I knew who you were because you had something that stood out. So take that and run with it.’ QT’s was a lot different because it wasn’t necessarily a word of advice. He helped me a lot with cleaning up in the ring. But, for him, and for Cody too, QT is more blunt. If you go into one of these schools or camps with the mentality of you’re going to get signed to AEW, you won’t learn anything, but if you’re going in there and taking this as an opportunity to learn and hone your craft, it’s going to take you so much further. These guys have been around the business so long, they can sniff that from a mile away. I gravitated towards QT a lot because he would dish it out, and he knew that I wasn’t there chasing a contract. Of course, every wrestler wants to get signed. But he learned early on that I was generally there because I wanted to get better. I wasn’t trying to compete with the people around me; I wanted to get better. Unfortunately, when I got home and wrestled a bit more, my mentality changed a little bit more to where I was too focused on ‘I need to do this to get signed,’ and I got wrapped up in that. I developed a little bit of a bad attitude outside. I took too much home. You get in with a crowd who feel similarly about themselves. When you surround yourself with negativity, it brings you down. One day, I just realized that I was the reason for my own shortcomings. Once I snapped myself out of that, I realized that this is not the person I am outside of the ring; this is not the reputation I want to have. It’s not like I was making a ton of enemies, but I was rubbing people booking me the wrong way. Who the hell do I think I am to think that I should be here or there? I have to earn that. Now, I approach wrestling with a much different mentality, like I was saying earlier, I have a very healthy balance with wrestling and real life now. People come up to me after matches, and they can tell that I’m having fun and enjoying myself in the ring. The quality of my matches has increased, and they can tell that too. I’m not going out there and thinking, will this get me signed? I’m going out there and focusing on having the best match that I can, but more importantly, making sure everyone in that building is entertained. Without them buying a ticket, what are we doing? We’re just doing this for nobody. We all do this for ourselves. But if people are paying to see us come do our thing, they deserve to get the best out of us from that. I watched some of my older stuff back, and it’s a night-and-day difference. You can tell I’m having the time of my life right now. I can genuinely say, right now, I’m having more fun than I’ve ever had in my career, over the last year.”

Let’s jump right into it. On Friday, you will be defending your Freelance World Championship against Izzy Moreno. What is your mindset heading into this one?

“Second defense, but this is my first time walking into Logan Square Auditorium with the championship. It’s going to be a special night… I can disparage her and be like whatever, she’s a teenager, I’m wrestling the Bayley kid. It’s not like that, though. I remember her first match in the company last year, she wrestled Darin Corbin. The only person in our company to hold every title that’s been around. I was just watching those two go and remember telling the promoters, I want to wrestle her. Not only does she have a good head on her shoulders, but I can’t believe I’m saying nice things about her because I’m going to dig that kid’s head into the mat so badly on Friday. But I see a lot of potential in her as an athlete. She’s someone I know will have a bright future in the business. WWE has B-Roll for days of her crying in the crowd, hugging Bayley, and doing all of this stuff. It’s not because of that she’ll make it there. But the kid looks like she hits harder than some of the guys that I’ve been in the ring with over the years. At Freelance, we do things a lot differently from other promotions. There are a lot of places that do intergender wrestling. So, I’m going to try and get into her head, and be like, ‘Kid, you’re walking into my house.’ I’m not saying she’s a kid in terms of her being a child; she’s a grown adult. She’s in college now and doing her own thing. She’s a kid in Freelance. She’s had three matches in this company, and now she’s walking into my house, where I have spent years trying to get to where I’m at today. She thinks in three matches she’s going to take that away from me? Hell no. My first matches in the main shows coming back from the Pandemic, I was in the main events with my trainers, Kylie Rae & Isaias Velasquez, and at the time, I was the first-ever Freelance Champion, and both of them were the first two people to hold that belt twice. So, I get it. I beat them on my first night. I get it. I was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, how that old saying goes. I was ready for what was next. I was like, I’m going to be a champion here. I main-evented the first show, main-evented the second show. From there, I got hurt, and it got taken away. I don’t wish that upon anyone. I’m going to kick her ass, but that’s neither here nor there. She’s going to learn a lesson very early on that you can have these opportunities, but don’t underestimate because the second she slips up, that’s my moment to capitalize. I’m going to teach her a lesson. You’re going to do well in this business. But you’re not going to leapfrog over me and make your name at my expense. I’ve seen too many people over the years to turn Freelance into a revolving door to get them onto bigger stages, but this is my home. If I end up going somewhere, fantastic, but where I’m at, I’m not focused on where I’m going to be; I’m focused on right now. Right now, I have a job to do, and my job is to protect my home. My job is to maintain my championship. If I don’t, it’s to the back of the line for me again, and I don’t know how many times I have left to do that. She’s going to have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands because there’s no way in hell that I’m letting her take it from me. Anyone, for that matter. I’m one match away from being in the main event of “Freelance vs. The World,” our biggest show of the year. It has alluded me my entire career. Before March, the Freelance World Title had alluded me my entire career. There’s no way, when I’m this close, I didn’t come this close to come this close. I can’t let it happen. I have a big night on Friday, and a big match with Izzy Moreno, but I also have to sit and watch that Rumble and see who comes out on top, because I have a month to prepare then for the biggest night of my life.”

If you’re able to get past Izzy, you are in the main event of “Freelance vs. The World,” which, in my opinion, is the biggest Freelance show of the year. What is going through your head as you prepare for Izzy, and does this add anything to it?

“The stakes have never been higher. It’s not only for the championship, but it’s for securing my spot on top. I’ve been in the rumble a couple of times over the years. In my six years of wrestling for Freelance regularly over the years. I think I’ve spent collectively three minutes in the rumble, which is an insane statistic to say. I got eliminated by Referee Dan Perch in seconds. Then last year, I eliminated Perch, but I got a little too overzealous. I told everyone I was going to smoke a cigarette in Logan Square Auditorium, but I don’t even smoke cigarettes. I did it, and that little twerp Trent Wrigley, he’s an up-and-comer from the academy, kid has a bright future, but he was a thorn in my side for quite a while last year, and he got in my way, and these things deterred me from my path to getting my red star medallion to cash in. I finally got it at the end of the year. I’m not chasing anymore. That’s a good feeling, but with that feeling comes a lot more pressure. I’ve got a larger target on my back than I ever had before. The people who wanted to cut me down are lurking over my back, and the only difference is now, while the target is on my back, you’re going to look me in my eyes, and if you want to take a shot at the king, you’d better not miss. You’d better not miss. Because now, someone has something to say, and someone wants to do something, I’ve got what everyone wants. I’m no dummy. I know that. I’m public enemy number one. But, I’ve kind of been that since I walked through the door. Now, I have more experience under my belt mentally and emotionally, to the point where I’ve never been more focused in my life than I am now. I’m not ready to give this up. I’m not going to give this up. If someone wants to take this from me, win that rumble. Whoever does, you won’t be in for an easy night. It won’t be the Trevor Outlaw who’s boot-scooting around that ring and having a good time. I have worked my entire career to get to this point, and I won’t let anyone ruin that. I have had enough moments that have been ruined over the years, and not anymore. He who laughs last, laughs the loudest. That’s going to be me.”

You won that title in a way that fans may have taken exception to. But after you lost in a three-way match with Darius Latrell, you jumped Devon Monroe and cashed in your Red Star Medallion. You won the title, and the era of Outlaw has begun. What went into this plan, and what did the moment feel like?

“Hold on, it wasn’t supposed to be that. I have been training for a one-on-one match with Devon Monroe. I cashed in my Red Star Medallion. But I earned my number one Contendership fair and square. Darius Latrell cashed in. Once he did that, my game plan went out the window. Yes, I may have gotten pinned at first, but again, he who laughs last, laughs the loudest. I had a Red Star Medallion, so I cashed it in. Again, anyone else would have done the same thing. You can spin that and say you’re a jerk for doing that, but here’s the thing: tell me anyone who was in the same position as I was wouldn’t have done it. Honestly, there was a split moment I forgot about it. Once I came to after the match, sitting there with Frank, I was like, ‘It’s over, that was it.’ He was wearing the medallion, and I just looked at him and snapped. I just went over and snapped at Devon. I beat his ass. Frank called me over and said it’s time. I was like, oh my God, yeah, it is. I’m cashing it in, I’m going to do this. To be able to have had that, I couldn’t have written the story better myself. I had lost my final opportunity, what I thought was my final opportunity, and by the grace of God, and preparing myself for a setback, I had that in my back pocket. For me, that was such a special night. It alluded me my whole career. I didn’t know when or if I would have another opportunity, and then to have two in one night, it was special. I had a lot of friends and family there, friends I grew up with who never got to see me wrestle before. My coworkers were there because they found out I was a wrestler and wanted to come to the show. I couldn’t walk out empty-handed. Do you know how much of a joke I would look like if I lost? I had to be prepared. Thankfully, I was. Now, I’m able to stand here today and enjoy the fruits of my labor… I’ll be honest, I cried. I’m not afraid to admit it. People who want to make fun of me for it, cool, I’m the champion. If you have a problem with it, come fight me for it. Honestly, the first thing I did was thank God. It’s been a long road to get here. I lost a lot of things to get to this point. To finally accomplish my dream that I set out for myself since day one, I’m very much the type of person who, when I say I’ll do something, I’ll do it. I’m a man of my word. To go that long in my career, and to finally have that moment, it was special. I wasn’t going to let anyone ruin that for me. I wasn’t going to let anything around me ruin that moment. It was special, because for me it was bigger than the title itself. It was about perseverance. ACDC says it best, ‘it’s a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.’ I just remember looking around in the crowd after, and I just go, ‘I f**king did it.’ Verbatim, that’s what I said. It’s not that I didn’t believe in myself to do it. But, I’ve come close but no cigar so many times that when I lost the actual match, it felt like that again. Then, I lost my cool, and I snapped at Devon. Then I had my golden ticket, that was the man upstairs looking out for me, saying, ‘Hey Trev, you learned enough, now it’s time.’ That was a special night for me and one I’ll remember forever. One of our videographers, shoutout to IAmSleepwalker, I’ve been asking him to make music videos for all of these matches this year and this title run, and he surprised me and made a mini-documentary. He got the moments with my family, friends, and Isaias to say the nice words about me. I’m getting a little emotional. I always do, and I try not to, but it gets me every time. That was special. That’s something that when I’m done wrestling, I’ll be able to look back on forever. I’ll forever cherish that. I’ll forever be thankful to Sleepwalker for that. We’re working on a short film that he cast me in to be a part of. Can’t say too much about it, but I wanted to put out that we’re working on some cool stuff. Keep an eye out on my socials and Sleepwalkers socials for something fun this fall.”

Your first title defense came in April against the very highly-respected EFFY. We saw you tap out to EFFY, but the referee was knocked out. However, while the ref was knocked out, you brought the title into play, before going low on EFFY and hitting him with a cross Rhodes to retain. What was this whole match like for you?

“The match itself, the only way I know how to describe it, is a fever dream. It wasn’t a normal match. We fought all over the Emporium. I’m amazed we didn’t lose the building. I gave him a stunner on the pool table. He threw me in a trash can, and Trash Talk with Trevor is my thing, so to kind of eat my own words in a way there was not fun. But my matches with EFFY over the years are very special to me. EFFY was the first big name on the independents that I ever wrestled. We did a show during the Pandemic, called ‘Secret Stash,’ where it was the up-and-comers versus the established talent on the Freelance roster. The first match we had was the match for the company to see; maybe there could be something here with this guy. Maybe Trevor could do something if he keeps his head on straight. Spoiler alert, I didn’t always do that. The second match we had was at the Second City Summit, which was like a Collective weekend for Labor Day. That match was my coming-out party for wrestling. It was like, ‘Oh, okay. He’s learned a thing or two at The Factory. He’s been working during the pandemic.’ To where we are now, we’re tied 1-1. So this match was a lot bigger for us because of that. I knew that not only were the stakes high because of that. But now with the title on the line, it was very special to me because of that. It was such high stakes. I’m a huge sucker for full-circle moments. So, I knew I had to bring my A-game for that match, but I had to be prepared for pure insanity. I knew it wasn’t going to be a regular wrestling match. I knew it was going to be a fight. I knew it was going to be us trying to embarrass each other. To have my first match, my first championship defense, be against one of the first people I wrestled under the Freelance banner, that was something that was really cool. He is a crazy bastard. But I can say now that Trevor Outlaw finished on top. I should probably have reworded that. But, nonetheless. It was really cool. I have a laundry list of people I want to wrestle, whether for the championship or not. But that was an important match for me to have. For it to be my first defense was the cherry on top of it all.”

I’ll be remiss if I don’t ask about your partnership with Frank the Clown. What has it been like to work with him and have him by your side?

“I’m not going to lie, sometimes I love seeing Frank get his ass kicked. That’s just the dynamic that he and I have with each other. Frank was the first person to see me, not ready, not polished, but still see something in me and want to work with me. I hear it all the time about how we don’t need each other now. But it’s not about that. We’re both individual adults who can manage our businesses on our own, but it’s a cutthroat business. Some people will try to cut you down from the front, cut you down from the back; everyone wants your spot. Having someone like Frank in my corner to make sure that nobody can do that, or if I’m having a bad night, he’s my voice of reason, and other times I’m his. For someone who doesn’t have a lot of friends in the crowd and a whole locker room that is gunning for me, to have someone who’s always been there like Frank has, means a lot to me. There are times when I’ve had to simmer Frank down, and he’s had to simmer me down. We both have very large personalities, and sometimes it’s hard for each other to keep in line. But, as nefarious as a scumbag as I am when it comes to getting the win, outside of the ring, I’m very much one of those people who, if you’re one of my people, I’ll go to bat for you. Don’t mistake that for weakness because the minute you do, you’re out, and I won’t think twice about it. Frank has been there through thick and thin. I can count on one hand how many people who have been, and Frank is one of those. It’s very cool to be able to do this with him now. We just kind of started getting rolling at Freelance, but then I got hurt. Frank had others he was working with there, so he was able to continue that. Then he was gone for a while. I had to work my way back up on my own. I’m getting beaten up by referees and the owner of the company. For Frank to come back and for us to be on this journey we’re on now, I know I keep saying things are special, but I’m in a very different place with wrestling now. It’s not just about punching people in the face. I’m very grateful for what I have, for what I’ve earned, and to be able to share that with my people, it’s a small circle, but it’s a great one, nonetheless.”

What has it been like to work with someone like Danhausen, as well?

“That day itself was probably the craziest day of my life, next to winning the championship. Danhausen is a very special wrestler. He does things differently from everyone else. He’s the wackiest person I’ve ever been in the ring with, but he’s genuinely a good human being outside of the ring. When I was younger in the business, I remember, during my time at The Factory, we did a small show in Alabama, and I was just helping out. I was helping him out sell merch before the matches, and he looked over and handed me an envelope and gave me money out of his cut. I was like, ‘What are you doing?’ and he goes, ‘You’re working, and you’re helping me keep things efficient here, I’m going to pay you for this. It’s not fair for me to be raking it in and not help someone who’s making sure I’m able to get to everyone.’ So, that was, I’ll always remember that. To see a guy like him at the level he’s at now, making money hand over fist, doing silly things. There’s nobody that I can honestly say who has earned where he’s at and deserves it, and I don’t like to use that term a lot, but he deserves to be where he’s at. That day we wrestled, the match itself was nuts. CM Punk was there that day. He saw that match, spent hours with us there, talking to us, giving us advice, talking to us about how to continue on our careers, and how to make the things we’re doing more effective. It was like, I’m sitting here right now, wrestling one of the biggest names on the independents, and my hero in wrestling, the guy that really made me want to do this, is having a conversation with me right now. That’s so surreal to say. That’s one of those things that when I’m done wrestling, I can look back, and it’ll be one of those things where it’s like, pro wrestling gave me that moment and gave me that opportunity to meet my hero, not just as a fan but as a wrestler. It was so cool, and I’ll never forget that day.”

What advice did you get from CM Punk that day?

“I think he was the one who really drove it home for me that it’s about the people out there. So many people I’ve met over the years, I’ve met so many wrestlers who are like, ‘I have to be taken so seriously.’ I’m like, ‘Cool, man, do that.’ Everyone should be taking wrestling seriously, in terms of taking care of your body, respecting the sport, and doing the business the right way. Of course, you should be taking things seriously. This is a sport, but it’s also entertainment. If you can’t entertain people, then I don’t care. I don’t care. If you don’t have someone who isn’t in the business, if one of the boys comes up to me and says Good job, I appreciate that, but unless I have paying fans come up to me and give me praise or buy a shirt, that’s what matters. Selling tickets is what matters at the end of the day. You have to be able to have a pulse on your audience. Not every show I’m on, I’ll do the same thing that Trevor Outlaw would do in this place or that place. None of the people I wrestle with will see the same match. I wrestled Richard Holliday at the end of the year, and then the next month I wrestled Joey Janela. They were two completely different matches, but you have to be able to adapt to the environment that you’re in, with who you’re wrestling, and you have to be able to make sure that no matter what you’re doing, the fans are getting their money’s worth.”

Switching gears, you also represent Black Label Pro as one-half of the BLP Tag Team Champions with Hayden Backlund, collectively known as Hot Commodity. What has this reign been like for you?

“When and if someone can take this championship off of my cold, dead hands. I want to tag team with Hayden Backlund (at Freelance Wrestling). Hot Commodity is very important to me. I can count on one hand the people who are my ride or dies for life; Hayden is one of them. Hayden has been there through the absolute hardest of hard times I’ve had in wrestling. When we first met, people tried to put us against each other, but we instantly knew we were going to be best friends. He’s my little brother. I’m going to shout him out, too. Hayden just signed a contract with NWA. I’m so f**king proud of that kid. He’s never kissed anyone’s ass, he’s never asked for a favor, and he’s done everything the right way. He got hurt. Busted his ass to come back, and did nothing but hit the ground running. I cannot be prouder of the wrestler he is. I cannot be prouder of the man that he is. We share a similar moral compass. People will tell you that we’re assholes. But nobody will ever call us liars, and nobody will ever call us fake. If you’ve got something to say to us, we’ll dish it right back. If it has to come to blows, it could. But we also know that we have to be professionals and know how to hold each other back. I’m not planning on retiring any time soon, but if there’s one thing I want to do before my wrestling days are done. Hot Commodity at Freelance needs to happen because I can’t imagine a world where I don’t get to share the ring with my brother. He’s doing great things right now. I’m doing great things right now. We’re strong individuals on our own, but when we’re together, man, you can’t stop us. If somebody is ever able to take the Freelance World Championship off my hands, it’s time for Hot Commodity… It’s been a little weird. We had a few defenses earlier on. With the venue that we run BLP out of, the owners are going through some personal stuff. There are some sicknesses in the family, sending my thoughts and prayers out to them. When the time comes when we can run again, we’ll be back, but what I do with Hayden is so important to me because he’s one of those guys who never stabbed me in the back and has been there through me through thick and thin. In 2024, I was getting really sick before a lot of my matches; I just thought I was getting nervous. I was yakking before my matches, getting through the matches, but yakking my brains out after. I thought maybe my cardio sucks. I found out months later that I had Pneumonia. It was so bad that when I was going to New Orleans on a vacation, I was in a bad spot on the plane. I was puking, sweating, and I had to go to the hospital the second I got off the plane. I got in there, and the doctor told me that if I hadn’t gone to the hospital before, I would have gone home, my lung would have collapsed. Hayden and I had a couple of matches during that time. He really stepped up to the plate and carried a lot of the load for me. There was one match in particular, we wrestled Bang & Matthews, and I started vomiting blood before the match. I didn’t think I was going to be able to go out there and do it. Hayden almost ran upstairs and said we’re not doing this. Call it off, no way, this isn’t happening. I told him, we have to. It’s Davey & August. I came up with those guys. Those were the first people I ever got into a car with, also brothers for life. They’ve never done me wrong, and I will sing their praises as wrestlers and people until the cows come home. Davey Bang is my little brother. He slept at my house, woke me up with a terrible alarm clock, and would throw ice cubes all over my house, but I digress. That match, we had to get through it. Hayden has my back in the most difficult time for me physically there. I will never turn my back on him as a human being; I just can’t do it. The other time was shortly after I got hurt and partially tore my other ACL. Again, Hayden carried the weight. There have been a lot of times Hayden has. There have been a couple of times that I had to carry it. But that’s what being a tag team is. Not everyone is going to be 100% each day. That is why I know we don’t tag as much right now, but that’s why Hot Commodity is so important to me. At the end of the day, it’s bigger than wrestling. Quite literally, near-death situations, or very dangerous situations, that’s my best friend. That’s my brother. He has been there for me. To be able to win the championships with him in a time where I was at my lowest, where at that point, I thought I was going to have to quit. To be able to do that with him was such an awesome moment, because it’s things like that that are so much bigger than the moments themselves. It’s about doing things like that with the people who mean the most to you. So, I can’t speak highly enough of Hayden. I’m so proud of him. Hayden Backlund. Brother for your life.”

News broke recently that Hayden Backlund officially signed with the NWA. What went through your head when you first found this out?

“I cried. Straight up. He called me, and he told me, and we’re weighing out the options of what to do. I told him, ‘Hayden, you’re young. By the time you’re done with the contract, you’re still going to be young. Don’t let anyone else affect your decision. Don’t even let me affect your decision. No matter how much I’m telling you to do it, don’t even let me affect your decision. This has to be yours. I know deep down that you want this. Go for it.’ So, when I found out, I was so happy. I was in tears. I try not to get emotional when I talk about things I care so much about, but I just can’t help it. I was so happy. Again, he did it the right way. He didn’t cut anyone out from underneath him. He didn’t kiss anyone’s ass to get there. He didn’t ask for any favors or handouts. He earned it. He worked his ass off and didn’t say a word to anyone. He grinded in silence. He was out for a few months, and most people didn’t even know. He just flew under the radar and got his shoulder fixed up, and bam. Got back out there like nothing ever happened. I couldn’t be happier for him. There are a lot of people in wrestling who, when you do something good, they’ll give you your flowers, but you can tell who really doesn’t mean it. For him, he called me, wrestled at Squared Circle Expo, finished his match, watched my match, and immediately called me after and sent me congratulations. You can’t write a more sincere brotherhood than what we have. I will always be in his corner. I don’t care where I’m at in my life and where I’m at in my career. If he needs something, I’ll always be there for him. To see him succeed this way, it makes me so happy. He deserves it. I don’t throw around deserves a lot. But not only does he deserve it, but he earned it.”

What are your future goals for 2026 and beyond?

“It’s interesting. I slowed down a little bit in terms of how much I’m wrestling. I want to be able to preserve my body in longevity because I’ve had a lot of injuries in amateur wrestling and over the years. But right now, I’m not putting a specific; Hayden didn’t either. My goals for the rest of the year are just to maintain this championship for as long as I can hold it, going into next year. I want to be able to help the students at the Freelance Wrestling Academy. I get to do commentary on the Academy shows. Some of them will come up and ask me for advice, which to me is crazy. I don’t see, and I don’t think anyone should see themselves as anything special, but for anyone to value you as a person and a wrestler is something I don’t take lightly, and again, I’m not a trainer or anything like that, but for them to ask me for advice or feedback or critique or to watch their match, that means a lot to me because if people are asking me for this and look at me as an example, I get a lot of fulfillment out of watching them get to have these earlier opportunities in their career. Isaias (Velasquez) always said he was more fulfilled being a trainer now than he was as a wrestler. I was talking to him the other day about this. I’m not even a trainer either. I just help out. I want to help out. This is my home. You nurture your home. I hope that whoever from the school grows, becomes a champion after my time is done, and I hope that they set the same example and that they do things not because it’s the right thing to do, but because they genuinely want to. Freelance is our home. Freelance is home. I truly believe that. So, I want to continue to help grow my home and continue to help build the future. Also, outside of wrestling, I really enjoy doing commentary. I would love to do that more. A big goal I have for myself with the championship I would like to wrestle and defend my championship in other places, potentially in another country. I can’t say anything yet, but if I can hold the title long enough to get there, there may be an opportunity for that in the future. Only a few people in history have ever done that for us, Ethan Page being one of them, Storm Grayson, and one of the earlier champions, Stevie Fierce, also did that. To be on a very short list of people to be able to do that, that’s a big one for me. Obviously, like any other wrestler, I’d love to make it to WWE/AEW/TNA, any of those companies. If the opportunity presents itself, I’d love to do that. But I’m more focused on what’s in front of me right now than looking ahead. When I did focus on looking ahead earlier in my career, I didn’t have fun. I didn’t have the right attitude, and I wasn’t as appreciative for what I have as I am now. I may not be able to fully answer the question, but I have those things that I mentioned, but I’m focused on what’s in front of me right now, more than anything.”

Do you have anyone you’d like to share the ring with?

“My biggest dream match is Bryan Keith. I’ve seen a lot of people in our company get to wrestle him in the prime of his time with our company, but I was out injured. I got a taste of it when he made his surprise return in February to be in our #1 Contenders match. Which was bulls**t by the way. I signed up for a four-way match. Then here he comes. That was the one time I wasn’t pissed off about it. That’s my match, that’s the number one match I have to have before I’m done wrestling. I have a bounty on the bounty hunter. Bryan Keith, when you decide to come back into my home, when you come back, I have a bounty on your head. I want to wrestle Microman, who’s two and a half feet tall. The list goes on. On the side with the women, I want to wrestle B3CCA. She is one of the most creative and talented independent wrestlers on the scene today. It’s only a matter of time before she gets signed. I look at people like Shotzi Blackheart, who was the indie wrestler of the year, and she’s someone who has had a lot of history in Freelance as well. I can’t believe I’m going to give this assh*le praise, but Cole Radrick. We have a lot of history over the years. He’s another one that we have a split record with; one of these days, we’re going to have to square off again, not only will it be for the championship, but the stakes will have to be raised. We’ve beaten the piss out of each other. He’s beaten me, I’ve beaten him. But we’re both not going to walk out of that match. I don’t think someone walks out of that match without being covered in each other’s blood. We’re going to have to kill each other one way or another.”